～うちは

[kepompong]

I came across a blog titled this
「死にたい」と言ってるうちは死なない・・・いや死ねない。

From reading the entry I sort of understand what the title means but I'm still not sure how to translate the sentence. The "uchi" part confused me. I've seen a lot of use of "uchi" but not this one. Anyone can help me?

Some more examples are:
ワクワクしているうちはまだまだ。
ケンカしてるうちはまだ大丈夫

[Essential_Japan]

I might need a bit more context to be sure, but it appears as though the author is saying something like "While/Although I say 'I want to die,' I'm not going to die...no, I can't die."

"うちは" here is used to express "while" or "although" I'm doing something....

-Satoru

I came across a blog titled this
「死にたい」と言ってるうちは死なない・・・いや死ねない。

From reading the entry I sort of understand what the title means but I'm still not sure how to translate the sentence. The "uchi" part confused me. I've seen a lot of use of "uchi" but not this one. Anyone can help me?

Some more examples are:
ワクワクしているうちはまだまだ。
ケンカしてるうちはまだ大丈夫

[kepompong]

Well, that's what I guess the meaning is but I thought, the "uchi ha" part might mean another thing since I thought "while" is "uchi ni"

Here's part of the blog
本当に死にたい人は「死にたい」なんて言わない。
そんな余裕はない・・・
本当に死にたい人は黙って死を選ぶ

[QuackingShoe]

It's good to check ALC for specific use examples sometimes: http://eow.alc.co.jp/%E3%82%8B%E3%81%86 ... %AF/UTF-8/

From the examples, it appears to be more "One will not die, or rather cannot die, when (if) one says they wish to die." Even, "If someone says they wish to die, they won't - can't."

That is to say, it's less of a"While I'm hungry, I can't eat" (contrast) and more of a "While I'm alive, I shall fight" (precondition). Which also makes more sense with the way the grammar is used, I think.

[Essential_Japan]

OK, I'm pretty sure then that the meaning is correct, but the author is talking not about himself, but people in general. The "uchi wa" meaning is correct here. You could say "と言いながらも" to express the same sentiment.

In the passage below he is saying:

People who really want to die don't say "I want to die."
They don't have the strength to say that...
People who really want to die choose death silently.

Well, that's what I guess the meaning is but I thought, the "uchi ha" part might mean another thing since I thought "while" is "uchi ni"

Here's part of the blog
本当に死にたい人は「死にたい」なんて言わない。
そんな余裕はない・・・
本当に死にたい人は黙って死を選ぶ

[kepompong]

Thank you everyone for the help m(_ _)m

That ALC site is very useful. I didn't know about it before so thank you for telling me about the site as well.

[Javizy]

I read うち as a first person pronoun The sentence would still make sense if you replaced うち with 私. I hadn't seen this structure before though.

[amost]

I read うち as a first person pronoun The sentence would still make sense if you replaced うち with 私. I hadn't seen this structure before though.

My immediate thought was the same as yours.

[QuackingShoe]

I won't say that didn't cross my mind!

[Essential_Japan]

Yes, I have to admit that the sentence does still make sense with that interpretation as well.

[Psy]

... might be a double-entendre? I'm not totally sure, but I'd fathom a guess that it is the same as the "while" meaning of うちに except it's been set off as a topic. ALC does have some similar usages:

「エゴがあるうちは、人は自分のことばかり考える。」
'While you have ego, you are always thinking about yourself.

ふたりの関係が安定しているうちは、ほかの人とデートすることなんて考えないこと。
Don't even think of dating someone else while your relationship is stable.

[QuackingShoe]

Well, it's another circumstances where a simple 'as for' replacement for は helps explain what it means and why it's being used, and it's a different nuance than うちに.

[kepompong]

I read うち as a first person pronoun The sentence would still make sense if you replaced うち with 私. I hadn't seen this structure before though.

Actually, that was what I thought at first but I wasn't sure.

See, when people say うちの子 or うちの会社, it kinda feel like say it as a group. Kinda when saying "my likes" so I was hesitant to treat it as 私.
So it's actually okay to use うち the same way as 私? Or does it have a different nuance?

[Javizy]

I read うち as a first person pronoun The sentence would still make sense if you replaced うち with 私. I hadn't seen this structure before though.

Actually, that was what I thought at first but I wasn't sure.

See, when people say うちの子 or うちの会社, it kinda feel like say it as a group. Kinda when saying "my likes" so I was hesitant to treat it as 私.
So it's actually okay to use うち the same way as 私? Or does it have a different nuance?

Most Kansai girls use it. That's dialect though, so your impression of うち in standard use is correct.

[Javizy]

I was just talking to my friend about this, and apparently it doesn't have the meaning of ながら(も). 'As long as' seems to be a better translation, since most of those examples could be rephrased with 限り.

The author is saying in the blog that people who say they want to die won't actually commit suicide, so I guess the title means something like 'as long as people say they want to die, they won't... they can't'. Quack pretty much already got this though.