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Using the て verb form

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Using the て verb form

Postby Spiderwick » March 29th, 2008 1:02 pm

Hi
I'm teachng myself Japanese using the 'Genki' textbook/CD (which I generally find really good). At the moment I am working on the 'te form' of verbs. Though I can conjugate the verb pretty accurately, I'm still getting confused.

For example, this is the sort of problem I am having:
I teach English
I'm now told this is わたし は えいが を おしえて います. But, how is this different from わたし は えいが を おしえます? Which of these sentences is right? I understand that the second one could be 'I teach English / I am teaching English right now', but is the first one still saying 'I teach English'? Maybe my textbook is moving me on from using -ます but I need to know when not to use the -ます form so I don't look an idiot! So far with te-form I'm using it to:

- make a request;
- ask for permission
- state something that is forbidden
- using it to describe two events
- action in progress
- a past event that is connected to the present.

I know there is more to it than this, but this is all I have learned so far. Anyway, any help would be much appreciated :)
Anne

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Postby Javizy » March 29th, 2008 3:03 pm

It can be used to describe habitual actions, or according to my grammar book 'a special kind of repeated action'. I think it indicates an action that started some time ago and has been continuing since, but I can only speculate what the difference is, since I'm pretty sure the following examples would work just as well with the plain form. This distinction has been a bit of a thorn in my side as well; maybe someone else can clarify...

読売新聞を読んでいる
I read the Yomiuri newspaper.
毎朝ジョギングをしている
I go jogging every morning

By the way, 'English' is 英語(えいご), 映画(えいが) is 'movie'.

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Postby Spiderwick » March 29th, 2008 4:01 pm

Thanks for the helpful advice - can't believe I spelt English wrong in Japanese! :oops:
In relation to the 'te-form' then, should I just see if I can get away with both versions until my te-form understanding develops further? Thanks for the help, though. It's nice to see I'm not alone in these conjugation dilemmas! :)
Matana
Anne

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Postby Psy » March 29th, 2008 7:20 pm

As Javizy wrote, it describes something habitual or continuous, so whenever you use something like 毎日 or 毎朝 or 毎週 or any of those 毎 words, you'd want to use a ~te iru ending. Without the -te iru the implication is you're going to do it, but it hasn't been going on habitually.

That's my understanding at any rate. 毎日新聞を読む just doesn't quite sound right to me.
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Postby Spiderwick » March 30th, 2008 1:56 am

Thanks for your explanation. I did have some trouble reading the Japanese. I can only read kana. Would you be able to translate it into kana for me? If it's too much trouble, don't worry I can still make a note of your explanation for my study. Thanks again,
Anne :D

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Postby jkid » March 30th, 2008 5:14 am

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Postby Psy » March 30th, 2008 9:19 am

Spiderwick wrote:Thanks for your explanation. I did have some trouble reading the Japanese. I can only read kana. Would you be able to translate it into kana for me? If it's too much trouble, don't worry I can still make a note of your explanation for my study. Thanks again,
Anne :D


Agh, sorry about that! I had been flipping between a few different threads and confused you with someone else who had written using kanji. Whenever I see that I respond using kanji as well:

As Javizy wrote, it describes something habitual or continuous, so whenever you use something like まいにち or まいあさ or まいしゅう or any of those まい words, you'd want to use a ~ている ending. Without the -ている the implication is you're going to do it, but it hasn't been going on habitually.

That's my understanding at any rate. 「まいにち しんぶんを よむ」 just doesn't quite sound right to me.
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Genki Textbooks for Self Study

Postby moejoe56 » March 30th, 2008 5:18 pm

I agree, I think the Genki textbooks are pretty good. But the only thing I hate it that the exercise don't have an answer key. Does anybody know where I can get my hands on the answer key?

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Postby jkeyz15 » March 30th, 2008 7:33 pm

For anyone interested that can read it:
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/search.php? ... se=1&row=6

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