Andy-san, くろくまsan, charliegchen8215-san, トラsan, マイケルsan,
charliegchen8215 wrote:The thing I don't get is why when it comes to math is that the Japanese grammar goes out the door.
１足す１掛ける２は４になります。
The word order is similar to English but which what is modifying what? Seems to be special rules when it come to numbers.
Very good point
This is something similar to "why this sentence is any way wrong although it's working grammatically correct" kind
of issues. The language rules and other theories must work together to make sense.
１足す１掛ける２は４です。
What decides "how grammar works" or "what modifies what" here is not grammar, but it's math theory.
We all learn that in calculations, we have to work on devisions and/ multiplications and then additions and/or
abstructions. This is universal truth and any universal truths and facts come first.
If someone says, 氷はあたたかいです。 (The ice is warm.),
this is "grammatically correct because it takes "A wa B desu" using the correct conjugation of i-adjective.
However, ice is a cold object.
トラsan, thank you for the better explanation about past tense describing the current/present conditions
I'm not too sure how to describe in Japanese what you mentioned about touching math question with
barge pole...I'd say 数学の問題には触れないことにします。OR横やりを入れないことにします。
Anyway, to answer to charliegchen8215-san's request...
> Again, doesn't this have more to do with 助動詞の「け」? 助動詞の「け」がなかった場合はどうでしょうね。
ちなみに、「住んでいるんでした」という文はPDFに本当に書いてありましたかね。これは関連付けの「のだ」という連語ですね。私の知る限り、関連付けの「のだ」は過去形が存在しません。
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Good questions! 助動詞の「け」は、「不確かさ」を表現していますね。この部分は「かな」にすることもできます。
「冷蔵庫にマヨネーズがある」という状態が、過去から続いているという前提で、過去のある時点を想像して「あった」という
表現を使います。そして、それが「不確か」なので「け」や「かな」をつけます。
The difference between 「あるっけ」 and 「あったっけ」 are rather point of view and whether or not
you have "condition in past" in your mind (or "in the picture"). And also, again, if you're really not sure
and doubtful, you'd use the past one あったっけ
In order for you to understand a little bit easier "why past tense for more doubtful",
I think I could say the idea behind is "if you wonder or doubt that there could have not been mayonnaise in the past,
why can it be there now?". (And of course, if you bought one later and remember that for sure, you don't wonder now.)
As to 住んでいるんでした, it has ～んです which is conjugated to the past tense.
Quick corrections to some other sentences from Andy-san:
(charliegchen8215-san and マイケルsan, thank you for the helps!
)
Watashi ga te o furi-hajimetara, hashitte kudasai! OR Watashi ga te o futtara hashiri-hajimete kudasai.
Hayaku aruite! (OR Hayaku!) Densha ga itte shimau (OR ugoite shimau)! (Walk quickly! The train is leaving!)
=> Please pay attention to this sentence. We need to add some connotations in this kind of sentences
and literal translation might not sound very natural. So I changed the expressions.
Soto wa monosugoku samui desu. Uwagi o kite!
(The weather outside is cold. Wear a coat.)
=> Again, please pay attention here. The expression "de aru" is super formal and rather written language,
so it doesn't go well with colloquial or casual spoken language.
Also, The word "tenki" would often require describtions like "good", "bad" or specific weather like "rainy".
One example with "de aru" would be:
Soto wa totemo samuku, kurai no de aru.
Natsuko (奈津子),
Team JapanesePod101.com
