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help pls on "have to" and such

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Chronitsch
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help pls on "have to" and such

Postby Chronitsch » June 15th, 2010 9:23 pm

Hi there

I have a problem with a certain form, I am not sure how to pronounce in English

its the folloing

なければなりません
and than this thing with いけません at the end
there also are the versions that are with

なくてはなりません/いけません
なくちゃなりません/いけません
なきゃなりません/いけません

I know its something like "You HAVE to do this and that" or "It is necessary to do", but I do not understand the usage and the difference of the mentioned parts.

Than another thing I stumbled over in a Homework I have to do, I do not know if this comes because of this form, or if there is another reaseon
Following 2 sentences
1時までに 帰んなきゃ  かえんなくちゃ。
今晩はテストの 勉強やんなくちゃ  勉強やんなきゃ。

why is there an additional ん and ... what is this なくちゃ and なきゃ ?

I hope you can help me on this ^^

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Postby toonygal5459 » June 15th, 2010 10:31 pm

In very casual conversation or when speaking quickly, ら gets converted to ん.
So where you would ordinarily say 帰らなきゃ it becomes 帰んなきゃ, and やらなくちゃ becomes やんなくちゃ.

なくちゃ and なきゃ are the shortened forms of なくては and なければ

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Postby Chronitsch » June 15th, 2010 10:52 pm

thank you for that, I am not that fluent with very colloquial japanese in that way

now to the なくては ist it this kanji -> 無くては which mean "unless" ?

this would help to understand this part, but still I am confused in how to build this form and where he differences are :-/

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Postby Jessi » June 16th, 2010 1:31 am

Chronitsch wrote:now to the なくては ist it this kanji -> 無くては which mean "unless" ?


Technically, yes, the kanji for ない is 無い, but you won't see it used in constructions like this. Just stick to the hiragana :)
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Postby Chronitsch » June 16th, 2010 7:56 pm

lol i am dummy, should have known that naku comes from nai :lol:

I ask my teacher today, luckyly we had a question hour before the test, and she said all those versions can be exchanged freely, just matters if I need to talk polite or casual

at least that is what I understood :D

am I right with that?

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