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KANJIS AND MEMORY

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mangara99
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KANJIS AND MEMORY

Postby mangara99 » September 13th, 2009 3:11 am

Hello people,

I've been wondering for a while, is it normal to recognize a kanji when you see it but not being able to write it? It happens to me that I recognize many kanjis but when I'm writing I dont know how to write them, its so frustrating :roll:

I'd like to know if it usually happens to you and to native speakers,
also, if you know a good way to get rid of this problem please help me! :wink:

I've tried writing the kanjis many times but since there are so many of them it's really difficult to practice with everyone. Usually I end up writing in hiragana XD

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Postby mieth » September 13th, 2009 10:47 am

welcome to the club. You can be the vice president. =)

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Postby Psy » September 13th, 2009 5:43 pm

Completely, totally, 100% normal, even for natives...

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Postby Javizy » September 13th, 2009 5:48 pm

Yeah, it's kind of a tough problem to solve if you didn't use Heisig from the beginning though.

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Postby Belton » September 14th, 2009 10:32 am

Reading and writing are 2 interrelated but separate skills.
Think about English; you can probably read everything you encounter but may have problems spelling even everyday words.

You need to learn to "spell" kanji.

You might be looking at a kanji as a single complete element. But it is made up of smaller components. It's easier to remember how to draw a kanji if you break it down.
In English you don't remember cat as a complete shape, you remember it as cee, ay, tee. And you don't even think about the spelling after a while, it's automatic.

likewise 猫 is けものへん dog radical, くさがんむり grass radical, た field, written in that order.
see けものへん again in 独 ;けものへん、むし
etc, etc...

You could also use mnemonics to remember these elements and if you are good at it link this to meanings as well. (While remembering that your invention most likely isn't how the meaning actually works)
Animal stalks through the long grass in a field. = cat
(In essence Heisig. Some swear by it, I swear at it. Read it yourself and make up your own mind.)

For a more mundane system that follows the Japanese Grade school order for the most part are the books by 下村昇 , when he gives names to about 32 basic strokes and shapes and using these provides written (as distinct to diagrammatic) 4 or 5 step instructions to write the 1006 grade school kanji. In Japanese of course.

For a good introduction to how kanji work, which also helps in my opinion, try Let's Learn Kanji and Let's Learn More Kanji (Mitamura, Kondansha International)
The second book is the better one, but unfortunately it's now out of print.

Writing many times isn't the most efficient way to learn a kanji. However I would write kanji by hand and look up the kanji you don't know rather than use kana if you can. The more exposure, the more likely it will start to become automatic.

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Postby mangara99 » September 17th, 2009 3:42 am

I see. I've heard of this method before, in fact I learned some radicals like the one present in all kanjis related to water and fire, and also insects and fish which in most of the cases have a little 虫 or 魚 attached.

I've realized one of the reasons why I found difficult to remember kanji is because I see the kanji as a whole as I normally do with our writing system.
Anyway, I think writing is a good practice. I'll give it my best.

Thank you all people for your nice advice.

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Postby Yamanchu » September 17th, 2009 9:42 pm

Hi Mangara99, I too tried writing out kanji many time and found it just didn't work, although Heisig doesn't work for me either.

What a Japanese teacher taught me, and what I find it works really for is: first, look at the stroke order of the kanji you're trying to learn, study it, then close your eyes and 'write' the kanji in your head, then open eyes and write it on paper. Cover up what you've just written and repeat, close eyes, write kanji in head, then write on paper.

I've found that this works great for me. Before I did this, I could write out a kanji 200 times and forget it two minutes later, now I write it out maybe 20 times, and I've got it. I still need revision every now and then, but this works great for me.

Good Luck!
Yamanchu

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Postby mangara99 » September 18th, 2009 8:21 pm

hELLO Yamanchu, I know how it feels to write a kanji a hundred times and then after a few days forgetting how it's written. It happens to me with the first kanji for ryokou(travel), I've written it so many times but then I always forget it XD.

I think heisig is a good method, specially when kanjis are so similar like in the case of 窓 and 恋, 究 and 空, and many others. However, your idea is also great, to imagine the kanji in your head and then writing it, but again, the problem is that there are over 3000 mandatory kanjis for a normal comprenhensive and writing level, and that without taking into account that there are about 40000 ??? kanjis. In japanese we have hiragana and katakana, but I wonder how chinese people manage this problem.

Recently I'm trying writing always kanji, if I dont remember I look it up and write it down.

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