Verb Endings

[shrewintokyo]

I am up to about lesson 50 on the beginner podcasts, and have learnt about the three endings for verbs, class 1, class 2 and the irregular class 3. When verbs end iru or eru for example taberu or miru, we drop the ru and add masu. However kaeru and kiru don't follow this rule do they although they end that way. Is that right?

Also in one of the dialogues, used the verb decide in this form kimarimasu, but in the dictionary it is kimeru, I'm a bit confused.

Any help would be much appreciated,

Cheers.

[mieth]

Im pretty sure kaeru is type one so it becomes kaerimasu the ru actually becomes a ri and then you add the masu. the difference between kimaru and kimeru is that kimaru is an intransitive verb and kimeru is a transitive one meaning that someone is doing the action

[jaboyak]

You'll find that there are some exceptions to this rule, but for the MOST PART, -iru and -eru verbs are (RU) verbs.

Exceptions I can think of off hand:
-kaeru (to go home), shiru (to know), hairu (to enter), shaberu (to chat), kiru (to cut)

[squirrelscuba]

hmm, i agree, in the lessons while the hosts may identify certain verbs as being class1 or class2, when these particular verbs come up nothing more is said other than "this is a class 1 verb"
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[Belton]

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It tends to make more sense when you look at the actual Japanese rather than romaji.
I'm sorry I can't remember which is Type 1 and Type 2 I know them as ichidan and godan.
Ichidan verbs are ending in える and いる and not ける、せる、しる、etc)
so they "decline" by dropping the る and adding ます。
it makes more sense when you add kanji.
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both these are kaeru but one is ichidan and the other godan.
変える　変えます
帰る　帰ります

(even then I'm sure there are some exceptions but off hand I can't think of them at the moment、If you are using a verb from the dictionary it will be marked V1 or Vr or suchlike.)

Usually in classroom situations the masu form is learnt first, this avoids this problem to an extent but may introduce other problems later on when trying to decline other forms.
I think the best way to learn a verb is maybe to learn the major base forms.
帰る、帰ります、帰って、帰らない
or to start off, maybe just dictionary and masu forms together.
帰る［かえる］帰ります［かえります］

[louis89]

It tends to make more sense when you look at the actual Japanese rather than romaji.
I'm sorry I can't remember which is Type 1 and Type 2 I know them as ichidan and godan.
Ichidan verbs are ending in える and いる and not ける、せる、しる、etc)
so they "decline" by dropping the る and adding ます。
it makes more sense when you add kanji.
both these are kaeru but one is ichidan and the other godan.
変える　変えます
帰る　帰ります

Ichidan verbs necessarily end in "iru" or "eru" in romaji, which are not necessarily える or いる in hiragana. This rule only works if you're talking about romaji.

For example, 開ける is an ichidan verb which ends with ける. 決める is one that ends with める. They only both end in "eru" in romaji.

[Belton]

I stand corrected, and apologise for any confusion caused.

だらける 　is another one.

It would appear then that there is no way to tell definitively from the dictionary form and it's something you learn when you first encounter a verb.