らしい with na-adjs

[sashimidimsum7250]

Argh! I feel like I should know this already, but ....

便利らしい

or

便利ならしい

Which one is correct?

Incidentally I tried looking up rashii in the grammar bank, and it was no help at all

[Belton]

便利らしい

Adj (na) stem / Noun らしい seems that something is ...
or
Adj (na) stem / Noun だったらしい seems that something was ...

so drop the な　of na-adjectives

[sashimidimsum7250]

Awesome! thanks!

[QuackingShoe]

In the future, it's useful to use google for this sort of thing. Type whatever it is between quotation marks, "". To use your example, 便利ならしい has 8 results. 便利らしい has 47,400.
It's a lot faster (and frequently more accurate) than trying to extrapolate any given usage from a grammar guide.

[Javizy]

I'd recommend this series of books for all your grammar reference/learning needs. The latter two have loads of points you probably don't even know exist, it is almost overwhelming to flick through the things

[sashimidimsum7250]

In the future, it's useful to use google for this sort of thing. Type whatever it is between quotation marks, "". To use your example, 便利ならしい has 8 results. 便利らしい has 47,400.
It's a lot faster (and frequently more accurate) than trying to extrapolate any given usage from a grammar guide.

hmm, err, thanks,...but I think I know how to use the internet already.

[sashimidimsum7250]

I'd recommend this series of books for all your grammar reference/learning needs. The latter two have loads of points you probably don't even know exist, it is almost overwhelming to flick through the things

Which one specifically would you recommend? I've got the master series for san-kyuu, and its entry on rashii is quite pitiful. It only has examples for noun+rashii. No verb+rashii nor na-adj+rashii.

I guess I could have assumed the conjugation for the na-adj was the same as the noun, but I hate assuming things such as that, much less relying on google search result numbers without context.

[Javizy]

I'd recommend this series of books for all your grammar reference/learning needs. The latter two have loads of points you probably don't even know exist, it is almost overwhelming to flick through the things

Which one specifically would you recommend? I've got the master series for san-kyuu, and its entry on rashii is quite pitiful. It only has examples for noun+rashii. No verb+rashii nor na-adj+rashii.

I guess I could have assumed the conjugation for the na-adj was the same as the noun, but I hate assuming things such as that, much less relying on google search result numbers without context.

The basic volume covers everything on JLPT 3+4 plus a bit more. There's also some useful stuff in the 'characteristics of Japanese Grammar' section and the appendices.

The follow-up volumes have hundreds of grammar points from JLPT 2, and I'm guessing 1, although I haven't studied for it and the book isn't JLPT-geared. The advanced volume has a number of points covered in the upper intermediate lessons, as well as stuff you can still use in conversation, so don't be so put off by "advanced" in the title.

It really depends how you study. One thing I like doing is reading manga and books, so I like to be able to look up and learn whatever I come across, rather than limiting myself, and that's what these dictionaries allow me to do.

As for the quality of the entries, they are very comprehensive, and more detailed than anything else I've come across. You'll probably be able to learn something about points you already believe you know well. One of the best things about it is the comparisons of related expressions, for example, under the ようだ entry, そうだ、だろう、らしい and ようだ are compared.

[sashimidimsum7250]

The basic volume covers everything on JLPT 3+4 plus a bit more. There's also some useful stuff in the 'characteristics of Japanese Grammar' section and the appendices.

The follow-up volumes have hundreds of grammar points from JLPT 2, and I'm guessing 1, although I haven't studied for it and the book isn't JLPT-geared. The advanced volume has a number of points covered in the upper intermediate lessons, as well as stuff you can still use in conversation, so don't be so put off by "advanced" in the title.

It really depends how you study. One thing I like doing is reading manga and books, so I like to be able to look up and learn whatever I come across, rather than limiting myself, and that's what these dictionaries allow me to do.

As for the quality of the entries, they are very comprehensive, and more detailed than anything else I've come across. You'll probably be able to learn something about points you already believe you know well. One of the best things about it is the comparisons of related expressions, for example, under the ようだ entry, そうだ、だろう、らしい and ようだ are compared.

That sounds pretty good. Can you give the name of the book you mean though, the link you gave lists a lot of books (several pages), and I'm not sure which one you are talking about.

[Javizy]

Ah, seems my search values weren't saved in the URL. The books are called A Dictionary of Basic/Intermediate/Advanced Japanese Grammar by Seiichi Makino.

[sashimidimsum7250]

Ah, seems my search values weren't saved in the URL. The books are called A Dictionary of Basic/Intermediate/Advanced Japanese Grammar by Seiichi Makino.

Thanks a lot. I went ahead and ordered the basic and intermediate ones. I can't wait to get them!

Yeah I like reading grammar books.

[sashimidimsum7250]

I received the books, and I'm amazed at the level of detail in them.
They're awesome! I went ahead and ordered the advanced one as well.

[WalterWills]

In the future, it's useful to use google for this sort of thing. Type whatever it is between quotation marks, "". To use your example, 便利ならしい has 8 results. 便利らしい has 47,400.
It's a lot faster (and frequently more accurate) than trying to extrapolate any given usage from a grammar guide.

hmm, err, thanks,...but I think I know how to use the internet already.

There's no need for that...
If you had actually done that then you wouldn't have needed to ask the question.

[sashimidimsum7250]

There's no need for that...
If you had actually done that then you wouldn't have needed to ask the question.

Save me the elitist crap. This is what this board is for. When I ask I ask a question, I expect a courteous reply, not some condescending BS like "google it, and stop wasting our time". Of course I'm paraphrasing.

Not that it did matter, but I did search other sources and had exhausted all of them. I thought here I could get a good authorative response, and I did. And to those that replied without being jerks, thank you.

[WalterWills]

He didn't say "google it and stop wasting our time", he was simply telling you about something you can do with google with regard to language learning that not everyone knows about...He wasn't telling you how to use the internet.

Not that it did matter, but I did search other sources and had exhausted all of them.

So you searched "便利らしい" and "便利ならしい" on google but the difference between 8 and 47,400 wasn't big enough to convince you?!