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mieth
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Postby mieth » August 10th, 2008 1:03 pm

anyone tried out the playsay vocab mp3s for jlpt. I want it but I dont really want to pay for it. I have spend so much money on snake oil learning products. any users out there? any good reviews?

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Postby Psy » August 10th, 2008 9:24 pm

Please, please please please please do not tackle the study of vocabulary without some kind of usage context to refer to. Not only will this hurt your ability to use the word properly, but it will also make things harder to remember. Additionally, once you're shooting for JLPT grade 2, you should start to wean yourself from English-to-Japanese definitions, and work on shifting your study to 100% Japanese material. This is hard to do so it will be very gradual, but word definitions will be a lot clearer to you in the long run.

As an alternative to that, since most people who study Japanese have seen at least one Studio Ghibli film, may I suggest instead buying one of their DVDs and picking up vocabulary from one of these online Japanese Subtitle Transcriptions? It'd be a lot more fun and the context will be in the bag.
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mieth
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hmm

Postby mieth » August 11th, 2008 1:48 am

well this is my current situation, tell me what you think. I am currently living here in japan and have been attending a language school 5 days a week 4 hours per day give or take an absence or two for over a year. On top of that I studied by myself using jpod for months in the US before coming here listening to approx 10 lessons a day every for 6 months. If I watch tv I can understand about 20 percent. I dont think my biggest problem is a grammar problem so much as it is a lack of vocabulary. And I am sure you know as well as I that when you stop mid way to think about an unknown word you lose the rest of what follows. The thing about trying to use japanese subtitled movies etc is that the subtitles do not match the spoken dialogue and it takes a very long time to look up each individual kanji. Its easy enough for me to get my hands on videos and movies but drawing in a kanji for every word takes too long and most of the time doesnt match the audio dialogue. I am already at the stage where I am studying for 2kyu and have been for a while now. It is impossible to look up the definitions only in japanese as you have a catch 22 there. if i could understand the definitions written there then I would already understand well enough and not need to look them up. To add on to that is the problem that example sentences are usually terrible. I often find that even though I look words up I cant find a contextual setting for the word and still end up not knowing what it means. I dont know why no companies out there havent made a japanese english dictionary with definitions in english instead of the translated counterpart. I dont want the translation for the word I want the definition. I looked for through many many systems and I just find that no matter what is out there, there is always at least one huge key element missing that makes the system only so-so at best rather than good.

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Re: hmm

Postby Psy » August 11th, 2008 2:31 am

Ah, that clarifies the position a bit. Most of the people I encounter studying Japanese online are doing so without constant immersion, so I made an incorrect assumption.

Regarding dictionary lookups, I've found in a lot of cases that the definitions are not redundant, however some of the more difficult words have rather abstract "heady" Japanese definitions that can whiz over one's head in no time. To remedy this, I suggest you buy a copy of the 例解学習国語辞典 ドラえもん版. This dictionary was given to me as a gift and I have found it an invaluable resource when the "Adult" Japanese definition for a given word is too difficult and the English definition too vague. There are also columns with miscellaneous (and often interesting) information, many illustrations and also usage-breakdowns for related words. Additionally, since it is aimed at Elementary-schoolers, the more difficult kanji always appear with furigana.

For looking up words using kanji, digitized text takes away a lot of the problem. If you aren't using your computer and the internet for dictionary lookups, you should definitely consider doing so. JEDict for the Mac, and Wakan/JWPce for the PC are freely available and extremely useful when you don't feel like thumbing through a paper dictionary. Additionally, tools like rikaichan (or simply copy & paste) can get you quick definitions for unknown words. The only thing left to do is to make some kind of memory aid that will force you to review, because most of the time, if you don't review, you will forget the word.

For kanji itself, you need to shoot for the jouyou, because the JLPT 2 list is, as I'm sure you realize from your daily experience, totally insufficient. There are many methods, each with their own benefits and pitfalls, but if I have a single piece of advice it is to learn the radicals, and learn them well. This will allow you to search for (and memorize) characters with much less difficulty.

Regarding context, my personal rule is only look up words you've encountered, in context, in the wild. This means no vocabulary lists unless you make them yourself. Get a magazine, a novel, a newspaper-- and you're bound to find dozens if not hundreds or even thousands of unknown words. I've found it perfectly fine to review these out-of-context, seeing as 9 times out of 10 I remember the context from where I picked the words up. The point is not to use some canned list.

At any rate, it sounds like you're currently in a really challenging spot. I've heard many a tale and daresay I've experienced it myself in at least a small degree. The only solution is to endure. As long as you can gut it out, you will advance, even though sometimes it will feel like you're getting nowhere. Just ask your fellow students, they're bound to feel similarly. If you're now shooting for JLPT 2-kyuu then you already know quite a bit, so try to remember that when things start to feel hopeless!
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thanks

Postby mieth » August 11th, 2008 2:12 pm

thanks for the encouragement psy. I guess I just need to keep pushing through and hopefully I will eventually break through this nasty plateau.

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