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jkeyz15
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Postby jkeyz15 » April 7th, 2008 11:34 pm

Jason wrote:
jkeyz15 wrote:Beddo no ue ni, hon mo ari [atte], neko mo imasu.

Beddo no ue ni, hon ga aru shi, neko mo imasu.

Both of these sounds very strange to me. In the first one, I don't think you can use も in the first clause since it's technically a separate sentence and is the first thing being mentioned.

Yeah. I agree, I don't know why I put the first も.

The 2nd sentence doesn't really work because し is used to string together reasons for something. It's not used as a general connector.

Actually I have seen other usages. It's still a little unknown to me and I haven't quite got the hang of it yet, and don't feel completely comfortable with it, but I have seen other usages than for reason.

A quick look at Yahoo!辞書, and this seems to be the usage I've seen:
「接助」活用語の終止形に付く

1 前に述べる事柄が、後に述べる事柄と並列的、対比的な関係であることを表す

But yeah, I'm not comfortable with it, and although the sentence sounds strange in the first place, I am also for the "notte i masu" solution.
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Postby josiah » April 9th, 2008 11:32 am

jkeyz15 wrote:You need the の.
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i asked my japanese friend and he said that in spoken and written japanese its not needed, dependent on context.
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jkeyz15
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Postby jkeyz15 » April 9th, 2008 2:23 pm

that was Jason's quote. I forgot to delete it when I was formatting my post.

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Postby josiah » April 10th, 2008 12:45 am

gotcha :wink:
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