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Teach Me Or I'll Make You Do It

Postby maxiewawa » August 19th, 2007 2:01 pm

One very common 文法 (geez I forgot the English word) that I can't get my head around is the ~させる ending.

Yes, I know it's the causative, and I think that you use it when you wnat to make someone do something, but I just don't get it. My mind always has to mentally look it up in my grammar (hey, I remembered it) dictionary.

I don't think the causative ending has ever come up in any podcasts at all and it's quite important as I understand it.

jPodに教えてもらいさせる。
I want to make JPod teach me this grammar point

I'm sure I garbled up that last sentence, but with jPod's help it'll be the last 〜させる I'll ever stuff up. :D

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Postby markystar » August 21st, 2007 8:38 am

hmmmm, yeah that's a tricky one. i think it's a good idea for a lesson!

marky
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CAUSATIVES GALORE

Postby markystar » August 22nd, 2007 6:55 am

maxiewawaさん、

your wish is my command!

today i recorded 5 conversations tackling the causative.

3 Beginner Season Two lessons (because this grammar point is JLPT3)
it's a really funny 3 part conversation too. i think you'll like it.

2 Lower Intermediate lessons (because this grammar point won't go away).
these two are more serious conversations. of course you'll like them too.

just a heads up, we've got a lot of other stuff coming down the pipe first, so it looks like i can get the Lower Intermediates out to you in October and the Beginner Season 2 in November/December.

marky
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Postby maxiewawa » August 22nd, 2007 8:03 am

Awesome! First we got the dialogue only tracks, the review tracks, power to the people man!

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Postby Jason » August 22nd, 2007 10:44 pm

The causative form actually has 2 uses. It can mean "to make someone do..." and also "to allow someone to do..." You form it like this:

Class 1 verbs: change the last syllable to it's あ column version and add せる
-買う ー> 買わせる
-切る ー> 切らせる
-死ぬ ー> 死なせる
-話す ー> 話させる
-読む ー> 読ませる

Class 2 verbs: drop final る, add させる
-食べる ー> 食べさせる
-捨てる ー> 捨てさせる
-降りる ー> 降りさせる

Class 3 verbs:
する ー> させる
来る ー> 来[こ]させる

If the verb is intransitive (one that connot take an object):

A(は/が)B(に/を)C。
"A makes/lets B do C"

If に is used, the sentence means "to allow to do C". If を is used, then the sentence means "to make to do C."

-父は妹にダンスへ行かせた。- "Dad let my sister go to the dance."
-父は妹をダンスへ行かせた。 - "Dad made my sister go to the dance."

If the verb is transitive (one that must take an object):

A(は/が)BにCをD。
"A makes/lets B do D to C."

With transitive verbs, the receiver of the action (the agent, to use grammar lingo) must be marked with に, so you have to figure out whether it means "makes" or "allows" from the context.

-父は妹に最後のプリンを食べさせた。
Ambiguous without context. Could mean either:
"Dad made my sister eat the last of the pudding" or
"Dad let my sister eat the last of the pudding."

The causative, along with the passive, is used a LOT in very polite Japanese, particularly in humble language (謙遜語).

-自己紹介させていただきます。
Literally, "I will receive the favor of [you] allowing me to introduce myself."
Or just "Allow me to introduce myself" (ultra polite version)
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Postby markystar » August 24th, 2007 2:42 am

wow.
after that explanation, i think we can scrap the the lessons. :lol:

seriously, i think we should refer people to this post in the podcast!

marky
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Postby markystar » October 19th, 2007 10:27 am

just a quick update!!

i just finished the final touches on a 6th upcoming lesson that also covers the causative. this one is for the intermediate level! it's a really good 2 part story!! (scheduled for 11/9)

marky
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Postby Ulver_684 » October 19th, 2007 2:18 pm

markystar wrote:just a quick update!!

i just finished the final touches on a 6th upcoming lesson that also covers the causative. this one is for the intermediate level! it's a really good 2 part story!! (scheduled for 11/9)

marky


Marky-san! :wink:

I agree with Maxiewawa-san, I can't wait for a Morbid lesson. 8)

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Postby markystar » October 20th, 2007 9:04 am

halloween is right around the corner.... :wink:
i wonder what kind of lesson we might have then.... 8)
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