Grammar Help !!

[keyattabrooks141742]

Hi ! I am studying Japanese intermediate grammar (auxiliary verbs) and I was wondering what is the difference of "hajimeru" and "kakeru". When using Japanese auxiliary verbs you attach it to the pre -masu form.

For example: Nihongo o benkyou shi-hajimemasu. ( I will start to study Japanese)
O-sake o nomi-kakemasu. ( I will start to drink sake) <--Not true but just an example XD

What is the difference between those 2 auxiliary verbs?

Also, the other auxiliary verb "dasu" means (to start ...ing with dynamism) what does it means by that?

PLEASE HELP !

[ericf]

hajimeru/kakeru
Hajimeru can be used only for the first time you do something.
Kakeru can be used for the first time or any subsequent time you (re)start something.

Watashi ha 19sai ni osake wo nomi hajimeta.
Kon shuu ha getsu youbi na no ni, mou osake wo nomi kaketa.

I first drank alcohol when I was 19. (Probably)
It's only Monday and I've already started drinking :-(

One's on a grand scale, one's on a small scale.

"Dasu" I'll have to think about. Mou yopparai (tyotto dake ne) kara desu.

[andycarmenjapanese8100]

Also, "sake" in Japanese just means "alcohol." "Nihon shu" is what you're looking for if you're referrring to the drink we call "sake" in English.

[ericf]

One more thought about kakeru...

I'm pretty sure it hints that you've started but not yet completed something. Like starting to read a book.

"hankyuu densha" to iu hon wo yomi kaketa - I started reading the book called "hankyuu densha"
ga muzukashi sugiru kara mou yameta. - but, because it was too difficult, I've already given up.

(I haven't given up, honest. It's just that it's on the back burner at the moment...)


To be honest the key differences between shi hajimeru, shi kakeru, and shi dasu will come from the differences in meaning of hajimeru, kakeru, and dasu:
hajimeru - to start something for the first time/very beginning
kakeru - to hang or to hook something (e.g. you've "hooked" a book and started reading it)
dasu - to put out from somewhere (it's a more active sounding verb than either of the other two; maybe that's where the dynamism comes from - I'm least comfortable about explaining this one.)

[community.japanese]

keyattabrooks141742-san, エリックsan, Andy-san,
kon'nichiwa! Thank you very much for a nice constructive thread!!

I'm pretty sure it hints that you've started but not yet completed something. Like starting to read a book.

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To be honest the key differences between shi hajimeru, shi kakeru, and shi dasu will come from the differences in meaning of hajimeru, kakeru, and dasu:

hajimeru - to start something for the first time/very beginning
kakeru - to hang or to hook something (e.g. you've "hooked" a book and started reading it)
dasu - to put out from somewhere (it's a more active sounding verb than either of the other two; maybe that's where the dynamism comes from - I'm least comfortable about explaining this one.)

A big round of applause to Eric-san
I really don't think I have anything better to add here.
"kakeru" can mean both "start doing and leave it without finishing" and "almost started doing something, but actually
didn't". Amonst three expressions, this "kakeru" has a very different connotation and I'd say the "point of view" or
"focus" is rather "unfinished" action or "reason why you didn't finish" (which should be mentioned in a separate sentence).

Natsuko(奈津子),
Team JapanesePod101.com