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Postby kepompong » October 8th, 2009 11:42 pm

Another grammar question.

ーたりける
Can anyone help explain this piece of grammar to me?
Or is it two bits of grammar (たり + ける)?

Here's some example question I found on googling:
それを、昔の契りありけるによりなむ、この世界にはまうで来たり ける

手などきたなげなう書きて、唐の色紙かうばしき香に入れしめつつ、をかしく書きたりと思ひたる、言葉ぞいとたみたりける。(From genji monogatari)

From my research on the grammar (if I'm not mistaken), it seems that this is an old piece grammar and often used in classic books and stories.

Thank you very much in advance. *bows*

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Postby Psy » October 10th, 2009 4:25 pm

I'm just answering so you know you haven't been ignored. This is far above my current level of study, but I'm acquainted with a lady who recently finished a part of the genji, so she's more familiar with classical Japanese than many. The next time I see her online I'll try throwing the question her way and then get back to you.
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Postby QuackingShoe » October 10th, 2009 8:18 pm

Check out http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8A%A9% ... 7%E6%B3%95) , looking at the old japanese.

I don't know anything particular about it, though.

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Postby gerald_ford » October 10th, 2009 9:12 pm

That's a new one to me (though I confess my Japanese is not advanced). Sounds like a more archaic grammar and not in modern use. Can someone confirm or deny?

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Postby QuackingShoe » October 11th, 2009 12:44 am

As in my wikipedia link, yes, it's very archaic.

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Postby kepompong » October 12th, 2009 12:07 am

Thank you for all of the replies so far, you guys.

I did expect this grammar to be ancient and suspect that a lot of people might not know it. But well, I blame curiosity :wink:

If I find any new info, I'll post it here. :D

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Postby Bueller_007 » October 12th, 2009 12:40 am

たりける is just the 連体形 form of たりけり (= たり+けり), which means 'was', 'had been', etc.

Examples from my 古語辞典:
1) 学問をもせず、もの言ふこともなくして、常に寝たりけり。->
学問をもせず、もの言うこともなくて、いつも寝ていた

2) この里は継ぎて霜や置く夏の野にわが見し草はもみちたりけり。->
この里は(毎日)続いて霜が置くのか。夏の野に、私が見た草は色づいたことだ

3) 具平(ともひら)親王家の作文(さくもん)の序者たりけるに。->
(橘正通(たちばなのまさみち)が)具平親王家の漢詩(の会)の序詩の作者であったときに。

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Postby kepompong » October 27th, 2009 10:59 pm

Ah, I see. So that's what it means.
Thank you so much Bueller_007 san for the help! *bows*

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