みなさん, ごぞんじのように、日本は地震が多いです。 Have you ever experienced one? What did you do? 日本語でも英語でも教えてください。

Hi Darien,

Thank you for leaving the comment.

はい、それは「judgement」になるので、「かえって」だとちょっと不自然です😅

If you have any questions, please let us know.

Cheers,

Ryoma

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例文の中に「六本木まで行くなら、ここから電車に乗るより歩いた方がむしろ早い。」がありますが、この場合は、「寧ろ」の代わりに「却って」を使ってもいいですか？それとも「judgement」ということですか？

アーロンさん

ご意見ありがとうございます！

コンテンツチームにお伝えしますね😄

（※クゥイズではなくクイズと言います👍）

Thank you for studying with us!

Sincerely,

Erica

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今回の単語クゥイズはとても良い復習になりました。このクゥイズではナオミ先生が辞書の定義を読まれ、私たちが単語の四つからをどちらが当たってるか選ぶというパターンでした。

他のレッスンにもこのようなクゥイズがあれば良いのではないかと思います。又は別に新しく単語復習レッスンをこのように作れば良いかもしれません。

先週、私の住んでいる町に大きい地震と嵐が起きました。嵐で洪水が来たので、地震よりむしろ嵐のほうが大変な問題です。

There was a big earthquake and a storm last week in the town where I live. The storm caused lots of flooding, so the storm was actually a bigger problem than the earthquake.

先週大きい地震が起きて、かえって家になにも割れませんでした。ラッキーですよね　:thumbsup:

Last week there was a big earthquake, but actually nothing in my house was broken. Lucky!

これは「むしろ」と「かえって」の正しい使い方ですか？:flushed:

wael san,

When you use かえって, it indicates emphasise of the meaning of anti-expected.

というか is a softer expression.

Yuki　由紀

Team JapanesePod101.com

is there different between "むしろ/かえって"&"~toiuka~?"

wael-san,

1.

A より むしろ B ほうが~

ろっぽんぎまでいくなら、ここからでんしゃにのるよりむしろあるいたほうがはやい。

OR

A より B ほうがむしろ ~

ろっぽんぎまでいくなら、ここからでんしゃにのるよりあるいたほうがむしろはやい

=> Both are fine, actually.

2. omiting むしろ

Your sentences (both) works just fine:thumbsup:

Natsuko(奈津子),

Team JapanesePod101.com

when use A より むしろB with ~ほうが~

could be

A より むしろ B ほうが~

ろっぽんぎまでいくなら、ここからでんしゃにのるよりむしろあるいたほうがはやい。

OR

A より B ほうがむしろ ~

ろっぽんぎまでいくなら、ここからでんしゃにのるよりあるいたほうがむしろはやい。

OR both could be fine.

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休日はどこかに出かけるより、むしろ家でゴロゴロしていたい。

if has been removed "むしろ"from the sentence. the meaning of sentence doesn't change .right?

休日はどこかに出かけるより、家でゴロゴロしていたい。

wael-san,

"kaette" doesn't just mean "contrary of expectation". It has to be an

"outcome" which was a contrary to your expectation.

When you expect the party would be boring, but it turns out it was fun,

the best to use are "omotta yori", "yosou ni hanshite" etc.

Also, when it's about subjective feelings like "tanoshii", it's more

complicated because it's not really an outcome of the event.

If you use verb "tanoshimu" in potential form, it suits much better

in many sentences.

=> watashi no sensei no houhou no okage de, kaette tanoshimemashita.

=> okurete shimatta to omotta keredo, shiai ni wa mani aimashita.

=> yakusoku no jikan ni okuresou datta ga, tomodachi kara okureru to renraku

ga ari, kaette watashi ga matasareta.

In most of the cases, "kaette" is used when your effort of trying to make

the current bad situation good ends up being worse, or vice versa.

Natsuko(奈津子),

Team JapanesePod101.com

paatii wa kaette tanoshii desu.

but maybe I expected that party will be boring.but i was wrong party was fun.

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sentence after "kaette" indicates that something is contrary to out of expectations not the something that i was expected.(right????)

watashi no sensei no houhou kaette tanoshii desu.

my teacher's method On the contrary it was interesting.

okurete shimatta to omoimashitara kaette shiai ni ma ni atta.

I believed I'm was late, but I arrived in time.

wael-san,

"kaette" is, like you wrote, something unexpected. You need the reason to use

this expression.

The correct way to say your first case would be, for example,

"machigaete satou o ireteshimatta ga, tabetemitara, kaette oishiku

natte ita"

As to アルコールを毎日・・・・sentence,

this is based on the common sense or general/common opinion about alcohol:

drinking is not good for health.

However, drinking "proper amount" (= 適量) everyday actually IS good for the

health. That's why "kaette" is used here.

Many sentences with "kaette" include this kind of "common sense".

Your last sentence "paatii wa omotta yori tanoshii desu" is VERY GOOD and very

correct. However, "paatii wa kaette tanoshii desu" doesn't make sense.

We usually expect party to be "fun", right?

Natsuko(奈津子),

Team JapanesePod101.com

when "kaette" been used, the sentence after "kaette" indicates something is one's expectations or contrary to one's expectations????.

tabeta toki kaette oiishii.

my expectations is oiishi or oiishikunai

or

tabeta toki kaette oiishikunai.

my expectations is oiishi or oiishikunai

takushde kaette ma ni atta.

my expectations is be right on time or be late.

kaette

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The expression “kaette” is used when the result was contrary and usually it has to take your own participation/action. In other words, you tried to make things better, but “on the contrary” as result things got worse, or vice versa.

..but on lesson note

アルコールを毎日適量飲むことは、かえって 体にいいらしい。

this sentence doesn't have speaker's his own participation/action.???????

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paatiiwa kaette tanoshi desu.

paatii wa omota yori tanoshii desu.

wael-san,

oh I see.

Sorry if I made you confused.

There're several different difinitions and/or meanings in words, and

"kaette" anyway means "contrary to one's expectation".

However, if you read my explanation well, I also added

"In other words, you tried to make things better, but “on the contrary” as result things got worse, or vice versa."

地震が起きている時にすぐに外に飛び出すのはかえって危険です。

In this sentence, "you try/tried to make things better" (= active participation)

is （地震が起きている時に）すぐに外に飛び出す HOPING or THINKING that going out

is the best way. However, the reality is contrary to this "hope" or "expectation" and it's worse or more dangerous.

What I explained earlier can be understood as different usage

from the sentence like

地震が起きている時にすぐに外に飛び出すのはかえって危険です。

This sentence is a typical for "result contrary to one's expectation", but

it doesn't have subject of specific someone (like "I" or "you").

安全な道へ移動したつもりだったが、かえって危険だった。

In this case, someone thought s/he diverted believing it was the safer

way, but the road taken was more dangerous.

This is easier to understand, right?

Hope it helps.

Natsuko(奈津子),

Team JapanesePod101.com

in Comment the fifth from the bottom

wael-san,

did you see the explanation of "it has to take own participation/action"?

If so, will you let us know where?

As Lesson Note says, "kaette" means the result was contrary on one's expetation.

The sentence in question means...

People might thing going out when the earthquake occur should be the way

to keep ourselves safe (= expectation), but it's actually the contrary and it's very dangerous.

Hope this helps!

Natsuko(奈津子),

Team JapanesePod101.com

if “kaette” is used when the result was contrary and usually it has to take my own participation/action.

why this sentence is correct?it's not has my own action/ participation?

地震が起きている時にすぐに外に飛び出すのはかえって危険です。

wael-san,

unfortunately, no :sad:

In casual conversation, young people tend to use this "tanoshisugiru/tanoshisugita" as positive meaning, but it's strictly colloquial.

"---sugiru" means something is extreme, literally meaning "cross the line".

Positive and good "tanoshii" crossing the line doesn't really make sense.

So, correct expression is "totemo tanoshii" and when you want to express

"super enjoyable that you didn't expect", you can use this "omotta yori zutto tanoshikatta" or "(kon'na ni tanoshii paatii ni naru towa) omotte mo minakatta".

By the way, "you na" cannot be used with affirmative expression.

If you use "---sugita", you already difine the situation, so "youna" doesn't

go with it.

Hope this helps!

Natsuko(奈津子),

Team JapanesePod101.com

these sentences are correct?

paatii ni itta toki kaette tanoshisugita you na patti deshita.

paatii ni itta toku koto wa kaette tanoshisugita you na patti deshita.

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wael-san,

The expression "kaette" is used when the result was contrary and usually it has to take your own participation/action. In other words, you tried to make things better, but "on the contrary" as result things got worse, or vice versa.

In your sentence, you found the party interesting(even if you expected it'd be very boring) and that's merely your impression; you didn't try any effort to make it more interesting, right? So, you cannot use "kaette". As a successful case, you can say things like;

paatii de moriage you to shitara, kaette shizumatte shimatta.

(= I tried to make the party more lively/interesting, but ended up make people silent)

Regarding the second sentence of yours, the correct sentece would be;

paatii wa son'nani tanoshii hazu ga nai to omotte ita.

One of the important points is "tanoshisugiru". When you deny "too interesting", you wouldn't use "sugiru", but it takes "amari ---nai" or "son'nani ----nai".

Another point is, if you want to say "should/shouldn't be interesting", "hazu" should be next to "tanoshii" (or any adjective you'd like to use).

Hope this helps!

Natsuko(奈津子),

Team JapanesePod101.com