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Why is everyone so much in a hurry trying to master Japanese

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Why is everyone so much in a hurry trying to master Japanese

Postby mslozada » March 1st, 2010 7:15 pm

Why is everyone so much in a hurry trying to master Japanese within months?

And if you did master Japanese within a short period of time, then what?
Chinese?

(If I make it, I will try N2 this year, so pls don't question me about my Japanese :wink: )

PS: And yes, I will start studying chinese as soon as I have N1... maybe in 5 years?... but I'm not in a hurry and I enjoy looking up Kanjis new to me.

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Postby Javizy » March 1st, 2010 9:44 pm

N1 pretty much just brushes the surface of mastering the language. It doesn't by any means say that you're on a par with natives. You could see passing N1 as being the start, rather than the end of your quest to master Japanese.

Nobody is going to achieve it within months, but I think about three years is a realistic target for N1, assuming you can manage roughly an hour a day on average. I didn't have all the convenient tools available when I started, and had all sorts of problems, so I've just started N1 after three years...

Why try to speed up the process? Different people have different reasons. I only know about maybe 6000-7000 words well. It's hard to count because I had a disaster organising my vocabulary reviews until a few months ago. If I learnt something silly like one a day, then I'd be lucky to have a decent vocabulary before I'm 30, when as a 24-year-old, I'd like that vocabulary now. Since I started late, and wasted about a year trying to organise myself, I guess I'm just trying to make up for lost time.

By the way, since China hates free speech and forced out Google, I definitely couldn't learn the language.

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Postby mslozada » March 1st, 2010 11:37 pm

Javizy wrote:By the way, since China hates free speech and forced out Google, I definitely couldn't learn the language.


If you are learning Japanese for your country and not for yourself, then I can understand that.

If you've been following Debito for years already (like me), then you will know that Japan isn't just made out of chocolate.

(I need these negative stuffs to prepare myself for the worst.)

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Postby QuackingShoe » March 1st, 2010 11:38 pm

Javizy! Man! No! Come on! China is king of the piracy world. Just hit tudou.com and watch Chinese shows all day long.


Why would anyone follow Debito? Enough people go to Japan and develop the "Angry ex-patriot" attitude as it. Why would you want to develop it before you're even actually an ex-patriot?

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Postby mslozada » March 1st, 2010 11:54 pm

QuackingShoe wrote:Why would anyone follow Debito? Enough people go to Japan and develop the "Angry ex-patriot" attitude as it. Why would you want to develop it before you're even actually an ex-patriot?


Why would someone go to a Flying school to learn how to fly when one could just grab a plane an learn directly how to fly?

It sounds insane but...

" to become an expert, you need to learn from the experts "

:shock:

Believe me, but that HANDBOOK is a lifesaver.

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Postby QuackingShoe » March 1st, 2010 11:58 pm

You mean it's actually your ambition to become an Angry Ex-Patriot?

Well, I apologize then. Go for your dreams, man!

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Postby mslozada » March 2nd, 2010 12:09 am

No, (well, it actually depends on the person) I use Debito to become aware of something that will never come out in the media.

The problem is, people go to Japan only to be shocked at something they never expected. But thats their problem, not mine.

People should be proud and happy about their Japanese ability (and for the rest of their lives) and not raise an eyebrow after living in Japan after (for example) 5 years, because this is exactly what is happening right now.

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Re: Why is everyone so much in a hurry trying to master Japa

Postby taikutsu » March 2nd, 2010 4:07 am

mslozada wrote:Why is everyone so much in a hurry trying to master Japanese within months?


As long as you enjoy it, why not? I don't think any language can be "mastered" in a few months, but it's good to want to learn more.

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Postby xmoonsirenx » March 11th, 2010 7:31 am

haha, you must be talking about me, because I seem to be in a hurry to learn it. Not to master it because realistically speaking I know that can't be achieved in months, not even a year. I would say 2 to 3 years if you study hardcore every day.lol.


I also relate to JAVIZY, I am 24 turning 25 and I spent a year being unorganized because I wanted to learn on my own (which is hard, not impossible because i'm still doing it, but hard nevertheless). So learning on my own led me to being totally confused about where to start learning, and how.It was a total mess,funny,but a total mess. I spent a lot of my studying time just watching Japanese movies and listening to songs to help me get used to spoken Japanese, but in reality I needed to be focusing on the grammar! I feel more organized now because I understand more of the basic grammar and vocab. So,yes, I lost a whole year being "lost" :O. Pretty sad, haha, so maybe that's why I feel the need to hurry up and make up for the lost time. I am hoping to have a near perfect grasp on the language by 30, haha.(Wish me luck)

My advice : Don't be too much in hurry! Mastering the Japanese language is definitely something that must be treated as a long term goal, because I dare say it's impossible in just a 5-6 months.(However you can learn many useful phrases in that short amount of time, enough to get you around Japan) Also even if it takes 3 or more years to master it , don't give up now. Just go at a pace that suits you! :) ganbatte ne!

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I'm Not in a Hurry to Master Japanese...

Postby PaxkiMe » March 16th, 2010 4:51 pm

Konnichi wa mina san!

I just wanted to add my 2 yen to the conversation. I have heard from many sources that the Japanese learn English beginning in their primary schools and study it on through college. It came out to about 10 years of studying in order to learn to speak English. So I figure I have 10 years to learn to speak Japanese. :)

I'm learning Japanese for my own enjoyment so I'm not in a big hurry. I just hope I am fluent in Japanese in 10 years!

Love the website Japanese Pod 101! Keep up the great work!

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Postby mvogel » April 15th, 2010 6:57 am

There is no such thing as mastering Japanese in a couple of months unless you are some sort of memorization freak of nature. I have been studying Japanese on and off for almost 17 years, living in Japan the whole time, and I am still not close to mastering the language to my liking. During that 17 years I was not studying as hard as I could but I have kept up with it the whole time and keeping adding more vocabulary whenever I get the chance.

Slow and steady is the way to go I think.

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Postby grey » April 16th, 2010 4:32 am

I'm in a hurry to master Japanese because I'm impatient; when a topic catches my interest, I just HAVE to find out everything I can about it, like an itch that has to be scratched. I'm not really following a timeline though (I have enough deadlines and milestones to reach at work, don't really need it in my hobbies as well!), but just gorging myself on whatever new bits of Japanese grammar or vocab I can feast my eyes and ears on, and finding every excuse to 話しかける any native Japanese speaker I happen to overhear. I used to be extremely frustrated at lack of progress and how slow I was learning, but then when I stopped trying to make progress and just started to enjoy scratching the Japanese itch, I actually made more progress.

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