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-reru/ // futsuu no sugata and te +te

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princebabz
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-reru/ // futsuu no sugata and te +te

Postby princebabz » January 29th, 2009 6:57 pm

i find the differences between the passive sentence and active sentence a little hard
for example in the sentences = Nikki wo yomareta//Nikki wo yonda does the first example mean the diary was read as opposed to i read the diary, and if so what would the difference be if the first example was in the plain (dictionary) form. HONTO NI YAYAKOSHII DAYO NE.

Secondly, in informal speech i often notice the use of te on top of a te form. for example
omottete, damattete, mottete, kitete. i get the impression that the speaker is asking or ordering the listener to do something e.g. kore wo mottete =hold this for me. however this is only an idea im still unsure.also what would this mean if the first te were in the past tense or viceversa (omottate//omottteta).

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Postby QuackingShoe » January 29th, 2009 9:05 pm

That passive is called the suffering passive, because the subject of the sentence 'suffers' the doing of the verb, which may take an additional object. So nikki wo yomareta = (Someone) suffered (someone) reading the diary. The person suffering would be marked by ga and the person doing the action would be marked by ni. The form does not imply actual 'suffering,' though.
They also make 'normal' passives, however. nikki ga yomareta, for instance, would straightforwardly mean 'the diary was read.'

As for -tete, what's happening is the same as -teru. The full thing would be (for example) matte ite, but they're dropping the 'i' for convenience. They do the same thing with others, for example 'iku.' Also, 'oku' and 'oru' often take it one further, going from 'te oku' or 'te oru' to 'toku' and 'toru.'

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princebabz
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doomo

Postby princebabz » February 9th, 2009 2:59 pm

ima chotto wakarimasu ne. its still a little difficult be i think i understand the suffering passive a little better now. Anata no kage desu yo!!
the te te i understand completely thanks alot!!

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