aru / iru potential forms?

[xmoonsirenx]

I wanted to know if aru and iru have potential forms, or are they the exception?
If they do have potential forms would they be ----> aru= areru / iru= irareru
and lastly if they do have potential forms are the following meanings I wrote correct?
*areru=can be, can exist (inanimate obj) ?
*irareru= can be, can exist (animate obj) ?


Please help, Thank you in advance

[Ben Bullock]

I wanted to know if aru and iru have potential forms, or are they the exception?
If they do have potential forms would they be ----> aru= areru / iru= irareru
and lastly if they do have potential forms are the following meanings I wrote correct?
*areru=can be, can exist (inanimate obj) ?
*irareru= can be, can exist (animate obj) ?

"irareru" is OK: "koko ni irarenai" - I can't stay here any longer. "Kusakute irarenai" - "it's so smelly here I have to leave."

"Areru" sounds like the word for when you get a rash. There is a form of "aru" plus "eru", "arieru", usually used with the negative, "arienai" - it's impossible, but I've never heard of "areru". If you have to express the idea of "can exist" I think one would use "sonzai dekiru", but I'm not a native speaker.

Edit:
I tried searching Google for "在れる" to check my theory, and there actually seem to be quite a few cases, particularly で在れる and adverb plus "areru", so it looks like I was wrong.

[squirrelscuba]

according to my dict yes they are the correct potential forms
(japanese, iphone app)

[Javizy]

I tried searching Google for "在れる" to check my theory, and there actually seem to be quite a few cases, particularly で在れる and adverb plus "areru", so it looks like I was wrong.

Personally I've never heard 在れる. Just from the kanji you can tell it's rarely used. I got 4500 results for "在れる" and 88,000 for "で在れる", compared to over 1 million each for the various forms of 有り得る. I think for the purposes of the OP, it's much better to stick with this one and think of it as an individual word meaning 'to be possible/likely', rather than the potential form of aru.

Edit:
Just for a bit more background on あれる. My friend says she only really hears it in set formal phrases like 健康であれることを or 健やかであらんことを, and at weddings or in poems, and it sounds すげー古い日本語って感じはする (extremely old-fashioned). You probably won't need such things until you're way past N1, if ever, so I'd forget about it for now. You'll hear arieru/ariuru all the time, on the other hand.

[xmoonsirenx]

Thank you BEN BULLOCK! Yes, "areru" sounds very unfamiliar to me. I'm still a bit unsure whether I will be using this one much. Thanks for double checking , oh and arienai sounded familiar to me so I looked it up and indeed it is used , it means something like "it's not possible , or can't be possible, can't be conceivable..etc" I'm glad you reminded me of this word !

also a big thank you to JAVIZY as well! You have helped me a few times now. That "ariuru" word you mentioned was totally new to me, so I looked it up and yes your are correct, it is quite common,this one is going into my vocab list because it will definitely come in handy.You are very savvy! Thank you so much for your help, I appreciated it alot


and another thanks to SQUIRRELSCUBA ! You have a great app. Thankies for checking