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Help:Usage of と Particle

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n6327079
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Help:Usage of と Particle

Postby n6327079 » February 6th, 2009 10:06 am

hey guys

there r some weird sentence structures involving と that i have come across through reading..
can you help me :?

example 1:
落としたかな?
i can guess the meaning is "it fell down didn't it?"
but y is there a と in the middle?

example 2:
もう一度話としたい?
"you want to talk with me?"
again y is there a usage of と? y not just say 話したい

example 3:
それはおいといて
this one i dont get at all.. but judging by the context it was used in, i guess it means "putting that aside"


thanks guys :D

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Postby gerald_ford » February 6th, 2009 2:33 pm

Hello, I you haven't already, I'd recommend going through certain key lessons in JapanesePod101.com. The Beginner lesson 102 covers one usage of "to", while lower-intermediate #5 (or #4 I forget) covers another usage of "to".

Or, check out the really cool "Japanese Grammar Dictionary" available on Amazon or other venues. That thing rocks.


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Re: Help:Usage of と Particle

Postby Psy » February 7th, 2009 1:11 am

n6327079 wrote:落としたかな?
i can guess the meaning is "it fell down didn't it?"
but y is there a と in the middle?

This と has no relation to the particle. 落とす means "to fall down." 落とした is the plain-past tense. 落とし物 is "lost article," (e.g. "lost and found" for example.

もう一度話としたい?
"you want to talk with me?"
again y is there a usage of と? y not just say 話したい

Often you'll hear 「だれか」と話す (to speak with [someone]), but I've never heard of it in the way you've written above, nor have I been able to find any indication of its usage via google-sensei, ALC or WWWJdic. If you're sure you've written correctly, you'd best ask a native about it.

それはおいといて
this one i dont get at all.. but judging by the context it was used in, i guess it means "putting that aside"


This is a contraction of the form 〜ておく、 which means to do something in advance. おく means "to put," its 〜て form is おいて, and if you say "to put something [somewhere] in advance" you can say おいておく. Since this is quite a common form, it is often shortened to とく, thus おいておく becomes おいとく, and おいておいて becomes おいといて.

Hope that helps ease the confusion. Cheers!
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Postby Belton » February 7th, 2009 11:09 am

もう一度話としたい?


I'm guessing but

話 is a noun here.
or rather the verb is 話をする have a chat, have a talk.
and the construction is とする。making a hypothesis.
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と replaces を

Maybe "I suppose you want to talk again?" as distinct from "do you want to talk again?"

very few examples if you google though. (44 not including this one.)

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